Farbenblind/ColorBlind users

[TheBoomer]

As BSW has a number of players that are colorblind and several games are a problem, such as carcassonne, because they can not easily tell the see the different colors, I'm working on a solution for this.

Since, I'm not colorblind myself, I need input from those bsw players that are.

What i'd like to do is set up a user selectable option is the prop file where they can select to use an alternate color set.

This change would NOT change the base colors in any game.  All it would is allow a player, if they want, to use an alternate set that is designed for players with colorblindness.

I've created a page that has the proposed alternate color set, and I'd like feedback from color blind users.  What I need to know is if they can see all 6 as different colors.

www.brettspielwelt.info/colors.html

I've tested this set with filter that simulate
protanopia, duetanopia, and tritanopia, which are the 3 most common forms of colorblindness and they look good.

The real test will be feedback from actual users.

If you'd like to provide feedback privatelu, just use a /tell TheBoomer

Thanks,
Boomer

[DrDeath]

Hello TheBoomer,

that´s the best thing i read about in the Community since several months. As i know, there are some colorblind users in the BSW. Some times ago i talked to two of them as a tutor (sorry i don´t remember the nicks).
I think it would be a good idea to place a notice in the news-tool, because very less players read the forum.

Greetings
DrDeath

[kintyre]

Hi Boomer

Really a good idea. I am such a colour-blind user (red-green). In fact, in some games it is quite difficult for me to see the difference between the colours.

:)Your new color-set is very good and I can see the differences between the 6 colors very clear.   Maybe the first color (left side) and the last color (right side) should only be used for games with more than 4 players.

For red-green color-blinds are the best colour-combinations for 4-player-games: white, yellow, red and blue.
For 6-player-games: white, yellow, red, blue, black and violet.

Thank you Boomer

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Eine interessante Abhandlung darüber findet sich auf der Homepage der poeppelkiste:
www.poeppelkiste.de/artikel/rot-gruen/rot-gruen.htm


kintyre  

[Muuuuuuh]

This option exists for weeks already.

You may choose your favorite colours in your .prop-file which is described in the (german only) Wikipage http://www.brettspielwelt.de/vqwiki/jsp/Wiki?PropTools

When looking at the last paragraph you will notice an entry:

Code:

CarcassonneColor1 = ff00ff

Of course all 5 colours may be changed, just use:
CarcassonneColor2 .. 5

ManitouColor1..5 is also mentioned, other games could work as well.

For those who are not familiar with RGB-Colorcodes: Click here for examples.

Hope this helps.

bye
M6uh

[Robina_und_Golbin]

Hi Boomer,

we "suffered" some rl-games we played with colorbling people as they get stuck to distinguish colors. This led to the report kintyre mentioned.

We looked at your set and it is well designed, especialy the very light green (a light green and a dark red is best to overcome rd-green colorblindness). Like kintyre already mentioned the violet and brown are hard to distinguish and you can see if you convert then to they grey values.

So we exchanged the brown by a pink-like color (r=200, g=40, b=100).

colors
grey values

Kintyre, can you check it agian, please. Thx.

We hope, it helps a little bit.

Robina and Golbin

[Gwyn]

This option exists for weeks already.

You may choose your favorite colours in your .prop-file which is described in the (german only) Wikipage http://www.brettspielwelt.de/vqwiki/jsp/Wiki?PropTools

But that is behind Boomer's idea I think. Instead of leaving the work to each player to change his prop for each game he would provide a file which just needs to be copied in.

[Dawn]

Im not colorblind im (only) "colorweak" (didnt know if this word exists in english. The german army told me, that im not colorblind, in my opinion they didnt want to sort me off ).

The colors of robina and golbin are for me a little better, than the colors of The Boomer.

Many thx at The Boomer and Robina and Golbin to work on this problem.  

Greetings
Dawn

[TheBoomer]

Robina:  I updated my page using your color for the 6th one.

I had trouble finding a good 6th color, so thank you.

I must admit, I was not aware of that change to the prop file.

Of course that would allow people to use whatever color scheme they want.  But they would need multiple entries for each game, which might be more work than most users can handle.

There are 2 categories of games, those that use colors for playing pieces, such as carc and those that use color as part of the game board itself, such as bazaar.  Here is a list of the games that might need to be changed.




games needing only playing pieces converted:
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Carc
Cant stop
CCJuS
Bohn Duell
Cartagena
Clans
Funkenschlag
KuK
Manhattan
Manitou
ParisParis
Siedler
Toprace
Transamerica
Vabanque

Games with graphics changes needed:
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Bazaar
Alles im Eimer
Attribut
Doko
Lost Cities
ofua
Schrille Stille
Sticheln
Tichu
Transamerica

[kintyre]

I have checked it: fine

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Noch was zur prop-datei:
Ich weiss, dass es eine solche prop-datei gibt. Leider verstehe ich nur Bahnhof, wenn ich das alles lese. Für Leute wie mich, die nicht mit dem Computer aufgewachsen sind und ansonsten nur normale Computer-Anwender sind, die sich auch nur mit den wichtigsten Programmen wie Excel etc. auskennen müssen, ist halt vieles einfach nur Fachlatein. Natürlich bin ich auch etwas zu faul, um mich mal ein paar Stunden oder Tage intensiv damit zu beschäftigen. Ich bin ja schon froh, dass ich endlich vor ein paar Wochen mal rausgefunden habe, wie das mit diesen YaBBC-Tags funktioniert, um in meinen Forumsbeiträgen auch mal etwas fett oder unterstrichen hervorzuheben.

Ich will damit nur sagen, dass nicht jeder geübt ist in der Handhabung der prop.-dateien und es daher einfacher wäre, wenn einige Dinge, wie z.B. die Farbpalette, wie sie Boomer vorschlägt, automatisch als normale Grundeinstellung vorhanden wäre. Aber ich schätze es natürlich sehr, dass die Möglichkeit mittels der prop-datei vorhanden ist, damit die, die sich damit auskennen, ihre Einstellungen entsprechend verfeinern können.

Kurz: Wenn Boomers Vorschlag umgesetzt werden würde, fände ich es natürlich toll; wenn nicht, dann kann ich damit auch leben und trotzdem weiterspielen. Und auch als IT-Doofie und ohne Anwendung all der props, tools, tags etc. habe ich bisher immer meinen Spielspass gehabt.

kintyre  
(nicht nur im IT ein Laie, sondern auch im Englisch leider kein Profi und daher mein Beitrag in diesem Thread auf Deutsch)

[Dawn]

To update the Topic...

Is there any update?  

Is there a chance to download the colors so that we can put it in the client easily?

MFG
Dawn

[Nessi]

Code:

CarcassonneColor1 = ff00ff

Of course all 5 colours may be changed, just use:
CarcassonneColor2 .. 5

ManitouColor1..5 is also mentioned, other games could work as well.

Sicher? Ich hatte es mal mit Can't Stop getestet, da ging es nicht. Weiß jemand, ob es inzwischen mit anderen Spielen außer CC und Manitou funktioniert?


Ungeheuerliche Grüße
Nessi